{"id":621312,"date":"2014-07-19T02:45:58","date_gmt":"2014-07-18T18:45:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newsinfo.inquirer.net\/?p=621312"},"modified":"2014-07-19T14:17:02","modified_gmt":"2014-07-19T06:17:02","slug":"pro-russia-ukrainians-thought-they-downed-a-military-plane","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/newsinfo.inquirer.net\/621312\/pro-russia-ukrainians-thought-they-downed-a-military-plane","title":{"rendered":"Pro-Russia Ukrainians thought they downed a military plane"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe title=\"Russian separatists&#039; alleged MH17 talk\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/XPBQd337HsI?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>KIEV\u2014Social media posts by pro-Russia insurgents in Ukraine\u2014most of them hastily removed\u2014suggest the rebels thought they had shot down a Ukrainian army plane before realizing in horror that it was in fact a packed Malaysian airliner.<\/p>\n\n<p>The Twitter and blog messages were immediately publicized by top Kiev officials in their furious information war with the Kremlin for global opinion and the hearts and minds of ethnic Russians caught in the worst East-West crisis since the Cold War.<\/p>\n\n<p>Confirmation of separatist fighters killing 298 passengers and crew on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur would further complicate Russian President Vladimir Putin\u2019s efforts to paint their uprising as a fight for self-determination.<\/p>\n\n<p>Russia\u2019s state media avoided any mention of the controversial posts and instead reported militia leaders\u2019 later charges that the Ukrainian air force had shot down the Boeing 777 liner instead.<\/p>\n\n<p>The rebels first claimed to have downed at least one Ukrainian army plane over the strife-torn eastern rustbelt on late Thursday afternoon.<\/p>\n\n<p>The VK social networking page of Igor Strelkov\u2014\u201cdefense minister\u201d of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People\u2019s Republic\u2014first announced: \u201cWe just downed an An-26 near (the town of) Torez.\u201d<\/p>\n\n<p>The Antonov An-26 is a Soviet-era military airplane used for transporting personnel.<\/p>\n\n<p>\u201cAnd here is a video confirming that a \u2018bird fell,\u2019\u201d the post said.<\/p>\n\n<p>The website then provides a link identical to that published by Ukrainian media in reports about the Malaysia Airlines jet.<\/p>\n\n<p>The video shows locals referring to the same coal mine in the region mentioned by Strelkov.<\/p>\n\n<p>The strongly pro-Kiev Ukrainska Pravda news site later posted an audio recording of what it claimed were the intercepted field communications between rebels and a Russian agent discussing the downing.<\/p>\n\n<p>\u201cWe just downed a plane,\u201d a rebel the recording identifies as Bes (Demon) tells an alleged Russian military intelligence officer.<\/p>\n\n<p>Another recording shows one alleged fighter reporting from the site of the plane\u2019s remains that it was \u201c100 percent certain this is a civilian aircraft.\u201d<\/p>\n\n<p>He spits out a Russian expletive when asked whether there were a lot of passengers on board.<\/p>\n\n<p><strong>\u2018We have seized missiles\u2019<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p>The VK post was soon removed\u2014but not before its screen grab was captured and distributed in an English-language press release by the military headquarters of Kiev\u2019s eastern campaign.<\/p>\n\n<p>The comments attributed to Strelkov did not identify what missile was used to down the craft at what Kiev said was an altitude of 10,000 meters.<\/p>\n\n<p>But a message on the official Twitter account of the Donetsk People\u2019s Republic had announced hours earlier that insurgents had seized a series of Russian-made Buk systems capable of soaring to that height.<\/p>\n\n<div id=\"attachment_621313\" style=\"width: 616px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/newsinfo.inquirer.net\/files\/2014\/07\/Malaysia-MH17-victim.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-621313\" class=\" wp-image-621313\" title=\"Ukraine Plane Photo Gallery\" src=\"https:\/\/newsinfo.inquirer.net\/files\/2014\/07\/Malaysia-MH17-victim.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"606\" height=\"403\" srcset=\"https:\/\/newsinfo.inquirer.net\/files\/2014\/07\/Malaysia-MH17-victim.jpg 512w, https:\/\/newsinfo.inquirer.net\/files\/2014\/07\/Malaysia-MH17-victim-129x85.jpg 129w, https:\/\/newsinfo.inquirer.net\/files\/2014\/07\/Malaysia-MH17-victim-300x199.jpg 300w, https:\/\/newsinfo.inquirer.net\/files\/2014\/07\/Malaysia-MH17-victim-342x227.jpg 342w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 606px) 100vw, 606px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-621313\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A man covers a body with a plastic sheet near the site of a crashed Malaysia Airlines passenger plane near the village of Rozsypne, Ukraine, eastern Ukraine Friday, July 18, 2014. Rescue workers, policemen and even off-duty coal miners were combing a sprawling area in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border where the Malaysian plane ended up in burning pieces Thursday, killing all 298 aboard. AP<\/p><\/div>\n<p>\u201c@dnrpress: self-propelled Buk surface-to-air missile systems have been seized by the DNR from (Ukrainian) surface-to-air missile regiment A1402,\u201d the post said.<\/p>\n\n<p>That tweet was later deleted as well.<\/p>\n\n<p><strong>Putin says Kiev responsible<\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p>Ukraine\u2019s pro-Western President Petro Poroshenko quickly called the incident a \u201cterrorist act\u201d and said he \u201ccould not exclude\u201d that the plane was shot down by the insurgents.<\/p>\n\n<p>But Putin said the incident would have never have happened had Poroshenko not ripped up a brief truce agreement and \u201cresumed military activities in southeastern Ukraine.\u201d<\/p>\n\n<p>Both separatist leaders and Russian defense officials also took pains to implicate Poroshenko\u2019s forces and erase all memories of the insurgents\u2019 initial pronouncements about downing a Ukrainian transport plane.<\/p>\n\n<p>Rebel Donetsk prime minister Oleksandr Borodai told Russian media that his units did not have equipment capable of reaching the cruising altitude of a Boeing.<\/p>\n\n<p>Borodai said it was \u201ctechnically impossible\u201d for the pro-Russia gunmen to have launched such a high-altitude strike.<\/p>\n\n<p>And the Russian defense ministry argued that it was far more likely for the Ukrainian military to have fired the Buk missile.<\/p>\n\n<p>\u201cStatements by Kiev officials that such systems&#8230; were not used in air attacks arouse serious doubts,\u201d the Russian defense ministry said in a statement. <strong><em>\u00a0AFP <\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\n<p>RELATED STORIES<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/newsinfo.inquirer.net\/621235\/malaysian-prime-ministers-step-grandmom-among-passengers-of-mh17\">Malaysian prime minister\u2019s step-grandmom among passengers of MH17<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/business.inquirer.net\/174897\/ukraine-plane-crash-hits-global-stocks\">Ukraine plane crash hits global 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